psychedelics and pot
THC will be released if the MJ is soaked in high proof alchol for a few weeks, hack it up, put in bottle, shake every now and then. personally im not big on alchol and feel it affects the natural THC high. Totally raw, ie slapped inbetween two crackers, will not work, if you are eating it it has to be heated with an oil to release the thc which is why it works with cooking brownies, the oil in the brownie mix. Health wise a vapourisor is the best idea as it heats it enough to release the THC filled vapour but doesnt force you to inhale tar and smoke. when i am outdoors i have a 200 year old tiny mersham pipe. I also have enjoy and have no problem with peyote and mushrooms but would only recommend these to people who are looking for a spiritual high, trying to take these as party pieces will be likely to cause a bad trip, its about mind set and enviroment.
“Herbs of the northern shaman”, my first book, has just been released at lulu and is a good guide through all the naturally occuring hallucinogenic plants in the northern hemesphire, just click the lulu link below if you would like to have a look
I used to party and did experiment but really I don’t like feeling like I’m out of control which drugs and alcohol make me feel like. I’ve found that I get a natural high off of living and don’t need to do things like that.
I do shamanic journeys and have never found the need to do drugs, I enter in that state quite naturally and like the fact that I don’t need a drug to get there.
But each person is different and I never throw stones as long as no one is hurting anyone. But you asked for my thoughts on being Raw and doing drugs and alcohol, after becoming raw, honestly I really have no need of it. I get such a high off of raw living and being who I am that there is no need.
Now I do like a cup of Kava Kava now and again which is like smoking pot with out the paranoia. Just understand if you do Kava have a shooter ready cuz it tastes like DIRT and make sure the shooter is something that will give you some energy. Kava will put you to sleep faster than you say SNORE. You become very euphoric though from it and aware on such a profound level.
I do socially drink wine or have a nice rich glass of Guinness now and again and find that my limit is much lower than it used to be. I really prefer not to drink much.
MOTH, have you seen some of the fabulous research done on mushrooms?,not just the ones to get you high.
I take a blend called HOST which boots my killer T cells anytime I get near anyone who’s sick or feel like I might head that way. I just start popping those babies and walla, never sick.
There is also a blend for increasing your neuron production in your brain. Took these when I went back to school and it really helped my memory. I’m taking them again because I just had major surgery and the anesthetic wrecks havoc on your memory cells.
Both are made by a company called New Chapter
someone told me that mushrooms came to earth from outer space. That their spores came from some kind of space event.
He wasn’t talking about just the trippy ones, he said it was true of all of them. Is that true or was I being wound up? LOL!
Zoe it is true that mushroom spores have been found in space so one could assume thats where they came from. I think Cannabis is more of a medicine and thus should be in my opnion should be repspected. You can vaporize (steam it pretty much) and that is way healthier than smoking. I have read doctor studies on women and cannabis throughout the world and it has been proven to speed up labor and be good for many ailments such as a heated poultice wrap on a sprained ankle to reduce swelling and pain. I feel that if it was seen used more this way it would be much less negative stigma with it. I also wish to say that in although TomsMom was agressive as a MOM myself abd as someone who smoked at age 12 with cousins who thought it would be fun to get me high I do believe all drugs and alcohol should be avoided till you are at an age to handle them biologically and maturity wise. Say 19 like in Canada. I am sorry to those with negative experiences chemical drugs are definately different than herbal ones. Also we all have cannabinoids in our brains look it up if you dont beleive me. We ate it raw once and did not get the heavy high but helped still with relaxation of muscles and tension and thus was not toxic. I feel that when you have the urge to get high it never hurts to ask why make sure your not trying to escape emotions or problems intention is everything.
I do want to clarify though that I do not participate anymore unless on vacay to legal destinations I want to show my kids how to get high on life and would never do anything to risk losing them to the drug war here at home.
Peace Light and Love
Live and let live beautiful words
We are all at different stages on lifes beautiful journey
PS back in the day I did make oil out of coconut oil with mj chopped ground well on a low setting in a crock pot for 24 hours but I would reccomend not driving as this is the same as having a couple drinks ( a vanilla bean might go well)
good idea with the coconut oil vega2raw, im wondering if one could extract the thc by putting oil and mj in a bowl on a shelf of a steamer, that way the oil wouldnt burn, and its when oil comes into direct contact with heat and starts to burn that it becomes carcinogenic, steamed foods dont have the carcinogenic change that fried and baked foods have.
I used to smoke a bit of pot years ago and had a few mushies but since becoming interested in my health I can’t see even remotely how taking anything that acts as a neurotoxin fits into the lifestyle of a health conscious individual.
I was at some seminars a couple of years ago (I am studying) and one of the lecturers had done a lot of study in mental health and he found that any abnormality in hormone levels created different ‘what he called medical conditions’ and ‘what the rest of us called social problems’. He was able to identify what hormones were deficient in those with addictive type issues (not just drugs), as well as a lot of other criminal type problems, etc.
He believed our gaols/jails were 80% full of people in need of medical attention not incarceration.
Just my thoughts…no neuro or any other type of toxins are part of my life.
Cannabis, cocaine, coffee all ALKALOID highs. They put you in a temporary alkaline state that feels just great. Then you come down and swing into acidity and need more of the alkaloid high to make you feel high again.
When you are raw you are alkaline, because it is cooked food, meat and dairy that causes acidity… so that is why lots of rawies talk about feeling stoned or high just on raw food.
vegan2raw thanks for that, so I wasn’t being wound up, mushrooms are really aliens ;))
silent_advocate, you don’t understand the meaning of “disrespectful”. I’m sure you feel you’re being hip and cool by helping a poster who’s probably trying to create a drug business by using this site, but you’re not.
I must be the only person who thinks recreational drug use is for adults. It’s pretty sad that others think that pulling kids into our play while their brains are still developing is groovy and makes them modern and laid-back.
Everything is a drug, when we eat cheese, meat, sugar, and all other :bad” things it releases opiates in our brain, and we get addicted. Check out this video about babies being hooked on sugar, I found it shocking: HERE
great link, Zoe! Thank you!:-)
TomsMom, I don’t appreciate when someone tells me what words I do and do not understand the meaning of. If your not interested in the topic, ignore the thread….
Cares, I have a similar theory about the link between health and social behavior. I have had a couple of friends get tied up in the legal system in the past couple years and I recently started reflecting on their behavior and eating habits while we were friends. While most of those people came from so called “broken homes”, most of them also had symptoms of serious parasitic infestation or a food allergy that I seriously think contributed to their negative behavior. But that only brings us back to the fact that we need more education about our bodies and how they work, which as most of us know, is a battle in and of itself…
too bad, silent_advocate
Nice picture! If I can make dishes that look like that my kids would gobble everything up! Okay, not to get off subject but I tried to start a new blog about “combinations”. I’m new and would like to know everyone’s favorite combination. The “staple” combinations and “wacky, who would have thought of that” yet so yummy. Not changing this thread but this subject reminded me of my combination question.
marionvalleygirl, youre prob best to start a new thread on the forum as opposed to asking on this one as people will still see the original heading and only look at this thread if they are interested in the topic of shrooms and pot so you wont get as many answers as you would starting a new thread.
Cares, i am sure there is logic in the neurotoxin argument but from my point of view everything else in my life is mega healthy, and the connection that i have with mother earth and the world around me and the animals, the sense of indepth understanding and communication that mushrooms brings is worth the minimal temperary possible health side effect. many people on here drink coffee, higher health risks and yet no positive spiritual benefit. with regards to MJ i have glaucoma and with research and advice from my optician etc have lowered my pressure from the high 20s to 14, but even if i didnt have glaucoma i would still use it, it has a lot of benefits for me and no negatives apart from tar if smoken. and im a nice girl, im not a criminal, im not unbalanced or insane, i cause no person and no thing any problems, nor would i ever, my life is totally about peace and mending, i may get irked from time to time like everyone but i definatly have no mental or criminal disposition because of the herb. i do know however people that are prone to depression or especially who have scizophrenia should prob avoid using it.
TomsMom, totally agree with you about the kids, I would never encourage a minor to try any drug, natural or otherwise, or alchol or cigarettes (the alcohol, cigarettes and chemical drugs i would advise everyone to never ever use fullstop), but as sensible, fully developed adults, who know their limitations, i have no problem with them using MJ or mushies, but for a child to try them could be disasterous, and if any kids are reading this you heed this warning well, you could seriously totally screw your lives up by trying things before your brains and bodies have finished developing, my best friend killed himself aged 20, because he did MJ A LOT before he really knew who he was, he also had depression and now he is dead, so please please dont even be tempted, you havent finished developing yet so cannot know if you can deal with it, and to lose another young life like that for something that really isnt important to your young lives would be tragic. (do i sound like a nagging mum or wot!)
whatever anyone trys, or decides to do, just always make sure you are supervised by someone straight, and keep safe, accidents happen very easily when you arent in your usual mind set
What do you guys think about the ayhausca thing. It is really popular with rawies in the UK to take it. I heard that loads of people take it at the raw parties that go on down south. I have heard that it is a bit of a nasty trip, not really a recreational thing.
“Here’s a wiki link”: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ayahuasca
I think you have to be really sure and ready for the ayhausca to be beneficial.
I would like to acknowledge I agree with you Tomsmom and feel the need to clarify that after my first pressure high from my cousins at 12 I watched her go downhill doing other things and I did not try Mjane again until 17 when I was emancipated and considered adult I made that choice conciously and I think if it was legal and an age limit there would be less kids doing it. My husband works in Canada and we have heard this from many people that people are not doing it as young there b/c they can do it when they are of age thus taking the rebellion factor out a little bit. I also lost my best friend at age 20 to suicide DODO and she smoked continually from a young age (her dads stash) and he was abusive in other ways when she went off pot and on antidepressants it was not 6 months before she killed herself. She also is who introduced me to vegetarianism and her memory lives on my child has her middle name Dyanne.
I would also like to state for those who have children it is a proven fact that if your kids see you smoke anything or drink lots they are 3 times as likely to develop the habit so if you choose to do it try to keep it on your night off.
I personally think that MJ has been given a much worse look than vicodin oxycotin and percocet even though those drugs are legal and contributing to our vast meth problem just a few weeks ago a 11 year old was peddalling pills at my goddaughters school 50 bucks a pill stole from mommys medicine cabinet.
Johnny Depp once said” if my kids decide they want to try pot I would much rather that than anything else, but I will still make them learn about it and grow it themselves from seed so they are not just purchasing something from gods knows where without putting work into it” I agree if my children are of age 18-21 and want to try it I hope they can be open with me and I will say the same thing you study it and grow it and find the healthiest way to consume it and we will see I know if I say no and go off on them they are wayyyy more likely to get it from someone of lesser character who might have laced it to keep them coming back, there have been many cases of pot laced with meth in the last two years at least in the us (oh yeah and if I am living where it is illegal than I would not be so pro grow we have to respect the law even though we may disaggree with it it cannot be changed from behind bars.
Peace and I hope if any children are reading this that they understand you have your whole life to be an adult but only this short time to let your body and brain grow and mature without intereference.
And Zoe thanks thats a great link my oldest was having goat cheese at 1 years old and once she started acting addicted hoarding it and only wanting that we decided to go off dairy and wow we were both allergic my how life improved. To this day if she has cane sugar it is like she drank a cup of coffe with steroids aggressive craziness. Thank the stars for raw vegan we have learned so much about what our bodies really need.
Zoe – I was just about to ask the same question!
I was over at a friend’s house last night and we had a long discussion about the ayahuasca experience. Only one out of the three of us had tried it and his experience was quite astonishing. I have experiemented with psychadelics, but definately not under the guidance of an experienced shaman. My friend emphasized how important it is to make sure you have someone honest and extremely knowledgeable to guide you or you could end up have a very scary experience. There can be vomiting, sweating and many other bodily functions – so it is not meant to be recreational, but rather transformational.
He did it with a small group in the jungles of Peru. Those that are into metaphysics and the concept of the quantum field (which I am) will really dive into the ‘expansion’ and connectivity that ayahuasca floods every cell with, i think.
You have to see some of the art work that people who have taken the journey create! Although I do not have confirmation I suspect this guy has taken the journey based on his pieces: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=08R8tgvXa7o amazing! a true mystic…
I did not respond to ayahuasca I did have a friend who lived in Peru and did it with shamans even though she found it a spritual transformation upon returning to the us and sharing and trying to be a shaman herself she seemed to self destruct using recreastionally and had our mutual friend convinced you can do it whenever I beleive it you look to do it once in a respectful mature way thats one thing but some people like my friend dont know they cant handle it till its too late, bottom line all drugs from the earth have been experiemnted in cultures all over the world and in some of those cultures sacrifices and cannibalism also took place so it is importnat to take in all info not just what suits you. And know yourself first which does require being grown up and if drug addiction (including alchohol) has run in your family it might not be a good idea to take the risk.
Just more of my own two cents
just to clearify-i was the one that mentioned the coconut oil but i guess it was missed haha
This forum is the reason why this site is so awesome x x
Wow what a thread! I read this a couple of days ago and it has been brewing in my consciousness.
And I this is one of my voices with using drugs esp . weed etc.
People talk about using drugs esp psychedelics etc as a way to open up to other realms of consciousness, but isnt that at the expense of our physical health which then impacts your wellbeing and consciousness anyway? I get that when you open to something greater it is mind blowing , but doesnt the physicall get in the way back here?
I also find that socially when I am around people on drugs that they are removed in there own world and this for me is the opposite of social. I want to communicate and connect but not at the cost of poisoning myself. Many of my friends use drugs - I come from a place where drugs are a norm as is widespread nowadays and am always looking for friends who dont take them but are non judgemental when it comes to drugs.
This is not also to say that some experiences on shrooms that I have had didnt definitely provide me with a truly altered state and were intense with other people.
The benefit of this does make a difference when you know that there is more out there than just our everyday worlds.
But being raw vegan is hardly an everyday world.
This is a complex topic for which there are many experiences and few answers. But drugs invoke experience and action and action speaks louder than words. Both ways.
I am clear that I would not let any children in my presence take anything that would intoxicate them. And can see the years I had to play doin catch up from the drugs I took.
If (and sometimes we never get fully awake) you start to chop and change your make up at this young age before you are aware enough to walk your path , i believe that intoxication can be a crippling blow that takes years to recover from.
It poisons your whole system and shuts you down rather than opens you up, apart from a few moments ,which bancrupt your vitality .
And become very habit forming at a time when you are like a blank canvas (I am aware that we are not all the same)
In the bigger picture they are here with us have been used for spiritual practice for millenium and have a purpose. Although I think it is so difficult to say what that is in our modern lives.
I think they are dangerous in todays society because they are not used in a tribal setting.
We are a tribe but do not have the information support guidance or intimacy as when we lived together.
Yes they are still there but totally a minority compared to drug use, which is probably an epidemic due to the lack of the above mentioned.
There is no medicine man / shaman to guide or oversee a ceremony.
They are used in great proportion sometimes everyday all day by our children who get stuck and crippled.
Who am I? I am someone who has taken drugs and who comes from experiencing the blocking effects of drugs. We know the blurb on why we shouldnt take them but that really is useless as it is only words. And words are no comparison to the powerful experiences of drugs. Drugs are action and it is that action that makes them so powerful and addictive . You connect and feel alive but to what ? to a world that it great but a distorted connection from the real connection that is here right now. Although when on drugs that downloaded version feels like the here and now, and it is..
I dont think I am saying we should ban drugs , but if they are to be of any use at all they have to be accepted for all that they are (economical social criminal aspects too) and find there natural place in our lives. It is natural that so many people are suffering from them and people dying daily. What positive effects are there? Yes they are used to alleviate some symptoms of certain disease but they do not cure and prevent cure.
If we could use drugs without any suffering being created then ..... yes there are so many things that cause suffering but we are talking about drugs and the suffering part is clear.
They are a means of shifting awareness but cant also be done in more effective , holistic ways that help to self actualise without the costs?
I cant yet see how drugs can nurture communities , maybe they are an old tool that we needed to use to gain an awareness but now as with all things that we try to hold onto they just hold us back.
Fear and judgement create a lot of suffering and it is difficult to accept or see we cannot help anyone else along their path we can only walk our own talk , a huge lesson I am learnin daily.
We each are at a different point on this path and experiencing it for ourselves. I guess my fear around the costs of drugs comes from a need to control. And reality is that other peoples drug use in the bigger picture doesnt really affect my journey , although it really seems like it does.
Right here , right now all is well (trust me Im not on drugs at the mo!@)
I feel connected to you , and only wish the best for all of us x x i love you my brothers and sisters .
Ramdass says, '"we are faced all the time with being right in the presence of a world that doesnt understand rightness. Theres a way of represent whats right. And if we are too emotional involved with being right then ,
When you get a model in your head of the way the world should be that excludes the way that human beings are then there is something wrong with where you are standing - from where he is sitting (he jokes)
WHEN others dont live up to Our model of what they should be doing or how they should be living, then we cut them off in there zeal to prove that they are wrong. That way is harsh to the world and It is not a full appreciation that that other person is them too.
There is not a corruption in the world that isnt in us all.
We are all all of it.
When we get that we can oppose something in a way that will draw that person closer to us .
Ghandi " I want the british to leave, but I want them to leave as friends ."
There are great teachers all around us x
What a beautiful topic. I can also testify that psychedelics are medicine, and should be honored as such. They are powerful medicine, but unlike antidepressants or any other psychiatric drug, they put the power back into your own hands. You do the work, they are only a catalyst.
No amount of raw has ever left me as clear headed nor as clean and pure as the morning after my first life changing mushroom trip. It cured me of depression in one night; something months and months of therapy could not touch on. In fact, after I came home from the place I was at (healing in and of itself), my therapist saw me a few more times, and said there really was no reason for me to keep coming. It was amazing.
Obviously, this is not for everyone. Neither is raw. However, I definitely disagree we are harming our bodies by using natural medicine which the creator gave to us.
i enjoyed your message and really got that shrooms were a wonderful medicine for you and your emotional / mental health, I know it is a thread here but I would love to hear some more of that journey and how they helped, if you feel like sharin, by email or here on the post.
I read your profile and it seems there is a lot of imbalance in your system so I ask the question how do you know that these natural drugs do not harm your body?
There are many natural substances given to us but just because it is natural doesnt therefor mean it doesnt harm us, salt the most abundant natural product on the planet is an example.
I truly am looking at this from as much perspective as poss, and the proof of the pudding is certainly in the eating x x
This is the dilema I find with drugs and the cost I was talking about.
It is very clear you have had a wonderful transformation and that is beautiful, but again your body from what you have written doesnt seem to be balanced at all.
Your right now that one part of your wellbeing is in balance you can start to bring the other parts into harmony.
I lovingly disagree that drugs do no harm x x but at the same time completely get how they can give us an experience of some kind that can move us forward on our journey if we are able to use and accept it.
As a Old Hippy I understand Your Need For Speed... I Indulge on occasion in a bit of smoke but since going raw I really don't feel the need...
As For One who has More than a Few Experiences (Some Of Which Were Horrific) With Shrooms, I think you should for go them as they get You High Because They Are Toxic... So Whats the Point of Detox if your taking something that is Toxic??? Just My Two Cents...
We all go raw for different reasons. Most of my friends who are raw drink wine. For me plant-based psychedelics are very much in line with my own philosophy, as is raw. I think plants have alot to teach us. No less true for Psilocybin than for the high I get from Goji berries. Using shrooms or Salvia or pot with reverence is very different from getting wasted after a long day at work. For me it is the difference between checking out and checking *in*. IOW Are you escaping or trying to get closer to different realities?
More than you bargained for:
I don't have any experience with shrooms (yet) but I have noticed a significant difference in my reaction to pot since eating raw. I am tremendously more sensitive to it. A couple of weeks ago I was sitting in a room with some friends and I decided not to smoke because I still had a long drive ahead of me late that night. However, just sitting in the room got me passively stoned!
It seems the longer I eat raw the more substances affect me. Just something to keep in mind, otherwise you may end up experiencing more than you bargained for.
Hi, Matty. I would love to share my story; I will do the best I can considering we are currently without much heat and my hands are blocks of ice!
I don't know if you are familiar with Rainbow Gatherings, but they are events that happen each summer in the national forest where thousands of people meet to pray for peace. It's also hard to eat badly there; most kitchens are vegan, and drinks are limited to water and tea. Also, you walk LOTS, LOTS, LOTS so you come home feeling so very clean.
That is the background to where I took the mushrooms which I credit with healing my depression. I basically had been in therapy for over a year when I went. I was severely depressed, and I had been on antidepressants twice. First I was on Prozac which made me a raging insomniac, then they put me on Zoloft which made me hallucinate and have very irrational thoughts. Keep in mind before I took the antidepressants I had had no problem with either sleeping, nor with my sanity. I was merely deeply depressed.
It's truly hard to put into words much about the mushrooms, or how I got them. I am not a religious person, but I am spiritual, and I am speaking of a spiritual experience; it was not a drug experience. I believe the person was there because I needed them to be there; I believe the trip happened because it needed to happen. Flaky? I don't know, but I can't put it any other way. It was just one of those times when everything was so perfect you question how it happened.
Anyway, I took the mushrooms and the trip was very intense but it was like I was reordering my mind. Things were out of order, out of their place. I went through and put them back where they belonged. There was a lot I had to work through; painful stuff, scary stuff. However, I never lost control of myself, or who I was. I lay in a hammock and watched the trees shift and change, as the light faded from blue to black.
I awoke the next morning feeling as though a dump truck had came into my mind and taken away all that was unnecessary. All that was causing my depression. I have never felt so clean, or so renewed. I wanted to hug everyone the next morning, because I felt truly alive.
How do I know that the drugs are not causing an imbalance, you ask. Well, for one thing, I do not consider the mushrooms I used to be drugs. I also have not taken them for several years as of now. I rarely ever smoke pot (I do not enjoy it though I appreciate what it can do). I have had my stomach problems since I was born. They are effected by what I eat, but certainly not by taking mushrooms a couple of times years ago.
Also, if you are referring to my depression I can say: Some people may credit antidepressants with keeping them alive. I say they almost killed me, and hallucinogens bought me back. I have never had a flashback (I do not believe in them, frankly), I have never had a moment of regret. I feel the changes I went through were both an effect of time (we change, that's life), and change I needed and the trip I took helped me realize. People acknowledged I changed, no one mourned the passing of my sadness.
Also, I have not had a relapse of depression, and it has been over 5 years since this experience. I was a diagnosed dysthimic, meaning I had been depressed since childhood. I do not remember being happy, except for very fleeting moments.
I truly do not feel out of balance, but I am confused as to how you mean. Do I seem emotionally unstable? To be honest, I feel I am very stable in those regards. I seem to be able to handle stress better than many people I know; I seem to remain calm when others do not; and I can think a situation through very clearly before acting or letting it affect me. I am, however, a very empathic person, which brings with it it's own heart aches, but not instability. And furthermore, I truly love life and feel so blessed to be alive. There is so much beauty in the world.
I do not believe that mushrooms are going to heal everyone of depression (though I do remember seeing a study a while back suggesting there could be benefits). I believe that it was a combination of place, time and readiness for the experience. If I had removed one factor, it would not have worked. I believe the vast majority of people who use mushrooms use them recreationally and if there are benefits they are merely side effects rather than the desire. I have witnessed what drugs can do to someone, I have lost close friends to methamphetamine whether through them going to prison, or the horrid transformation the drug brings. It is a tragedy. But myself, I would not trade my experience for the world and I would not even begin to put them into the same category because the situations are entirely different. I also had the guidance of elders, and a tribe setting.
Beautiful, Advaya, thank you for sharing!