Why no milk?
greenghost—i always wanted to try absinthe because all of the great romantic poets drank it! i’ve never had the chance, however, and my friends who have just say it’s really really strong alcohol that tastes kind of gross. doesn’t sound as exciting as Rimbaud made it seem!
hmm… now i wonder which is worse for you… dairy or absinthe? :-P
Hey dorian don’t I notice that you have an ebay store,what are you selling?
And anybody, please respond to the question I posted because im really curious….
why was the cow or goat chosen for us to suckle from, why not the dog or the monkey! If you think about it, whats really the differnce?
dreasraw~ I would think that people chose cows and goats because of their availability, temperament (try having a dog or monkey sit still for long periods of time…), quantity procured per milking session, and length of milk producing cycle. Also in areas where camels, water buffalo, and other larger animals are available, people “milk” them. This isn’t based on any research or knowledge on the subject, just what seems logical to me…
i think that makes sense, bluedolfin. also cow and goat udders are significantly easier to tug on than doggie nipples!!
dreasraw—thanks for noticing my store. i sell vintage clothing, but i took a little vacation and haven’t put anything up since. doing a photo shoot for the store this weekend, so gonna try to get some things up thursday night :)
yeah, cows and goats are definitely far easier to milk that’s for sure. They’re also useful for other things like meat and that probably had something to do with choosing them.
I’m not sure if this was mentioned already, i read the first page but felt too overwhelmed to read the rest. the china study by dr. collin t campbell is an amazing book about the research behind animal proteins and disease if anyone is curious about scientific research backing up the fact that dairy, eggs and meat are directly linked to diseases such as cancer, diabetes, heart disease and several others.
You know while i agree we are not meant to drink milk apart from breastmilk i personally do get health benefits from yoghurts. Ive found if its organic and has at least 4 probiotic strains its hard to beat for digestive health. Ive had alot of problems with digestion and yoghurt is helpful,the supplements just arent as effective.
Ive never had alot of milk, am lactose intolerant. But to bring back in the allergy thing. Often people call what are actually food sensitivities allergies, a true allergy will lead to anaphylaxis is life threatening, and is usually present from birth. There may be some validity to the comment that parents health influences this, it likely does, but fact of the matter is anyone with a true allergy wont detox out of it.
I have heaps of food sensitivies, seen an allergy specialist to find out to exactly what. Interesting thing was all my ‘problem’ foods i could eat just fine once i cut out lactose. The only foods left i react to are tomatoes and pumpkin, interestingly i dont react to organic tomatoes at all no matter how many i eat. I do react to pumpkin if its cooked or if i consume too much raw (which is pretty hard to do).
Not only are we not meant to drink milk past nursing but there is so much blood in milk due to the automoatic milking machines, that they actually have to bleach it…otherwise it would be pink…YUCK!!!
Milk is said to have some ‘bad’ things in it. Mainly, casein. This is the protein in milk. When it is pasteurized, it GREATLY INCREASES the amount of casein. This makes it VERY VERY BAD for you.
I imagine raw milk is different, I just do not drink it regardless…. I am vegan. But, though it might have some benefits, it also has some downsides to it. I still believe that excess milk and protein, decreases calcium absorption.
mmmorgans—really? they bleach it?!?
I knew that there was pus in milk because of the irritation & infections that the cows get from the milking machines. But they actually get so much blood in the milk that they have to bleach it?!
That is so beyond disgusting.
Those poor cows!
I believe you, but I’m wondering where you found that information…. if you get a sec please share it. Thanks
dreasraw said: And, 8 years of a beverage company putting cocaine in their drinks, then replacing it with large amounts of sugar and caffeine is a good start and the reason why they are so large today! If I sold cocaine for 8 years, I surely would not have to budget on my weekly trip to the health store.”
LOL…I was dying when I read that.
As for the milk having blood in it and needing to be bleached…I don’t want to be a rumor starter so someone PLEASE confirm that for me. But, if that is true – wow – I’d have to let people know about that. Milk is nasty enough even without blood though. Like it has already been stated here, it’s ridiculous how milk and bread and considered great things to eat for your health – and that I am supposed to have FIVE servings, I believe, of whole grains per day. Whatever.
WOW! I feel you thecavsman, I don’t want to start any rumors, so please send over the info on the blood in milk! That is groooosss!
Instead of going to the local grocery store and buying milk, those that want to drink it should go to a local farm and get underneath the cow or goat with the cow and goat babies and suckle directly from the teet. At least this would be a healthier way to have milk! Now, for those that find this disgusting or perverted in any way, that gut feeling, is your natural instinct telling you not to drink milk. Listen to your own natural instincts!
I’ve been doing some reading over the past little while. I absolutely cannot go near milk or cheese anymore. It’s over!! Done!! Peace, Karuna
yeah I agree about the instincts. People (most) don’t want to kill the animal or drink from the cow but they don’t mind the products.
Milk isn’t even good enough to be worth the damage it does – what could be that good, anyway? I consider milk to be just like meat – no different. In fact, I never was a big meat person before I went raw vegan in the first place, so the lack of milk has had a much bigger effect than the lack of meat on me. I thought that people always had mucous in their noses all the time but I realized that a lot of that was from not only cooked, acidic foods, but from the layer of whatever it is that seems to develop in us when we drink milk. I can’t describe it, but people might know what I’m talking about. Even while transitioning from SAD to vegan for several weeks, I could tell if my soup had milk in it by the mucous/stuffy feeling.
People and animals aren’t meant to eat dairy products after the age of breast feeding, because after that age, we stop producing lactase which is needed to digest lactose. Yes, goat’s milk is much better, but there are still many problems associated with it. It is still a dairy product.
Shouldn’t you go by all animals who don’t eat dairy? Yea, our cat might, but it’s not natural.
Goat’s milk may be easier to digest, but it still produces mucous that is going to override the benefits of raw food. Do you want proof? I found a raw dairy pickup center and thought i’d try the raw goat’s milk. I loved it, and was eating huge amounts of fruit, but something didn’t feel right in my body, even though I was unaware that there was damage being done.
Milk also contains animal proteins, and unhealthy cholesterol. We weren’t meant to eat dairy.
You can also go to www.purelyraw.com for details written by Zoe and Chris on why you shouldn’t eat dairy. She says that a glass of milk is the same as 7 strips of bacon.
here’s the link to the specific page It’s fascinating, really.
yeah thecavsman, thats a good point! People dont associate what is on the shelf at the grocery store to the real thing! I think If more people did that it wouldnt be an argument on whether to eat something or not.
I understand that some people say they have gotten some health benefits from the dairy’s of their choice, but they should remember, there is always another alternative that can help you naturally without having a downside, and those options should be explored.
I think we (as people) are detached from the very planet that sustains us. I know for me, I’m originally from a part of NJ, where there are no farms. So, when I went into the grocery store I didnt see the living cow or the pig, all I saw was the hot dogs and they didnt look alive to me! We wouldnt eat our dogs or drink their milk because we are very familiar with them and even if we went to the grocery store and saw dog milk, we would not drink it. So this is the way I explain to my friends why I do what I do.
I know that we are talking about if milk is good or bad for us, but, Im sure that research could be done to find something good for us in human flesh and milk. But we dont want to drink human milk after we are adults and we dont want to eat our neigbor, do we?
yeah…NJ the “garden state”. Not in North Jersey lol. I’m from North Jersey as well.
I agree with everything you said. In short, intuition is the key. ANY type of meat is now nasty to me because I have learned intuition. I go to sleep when I feel like it (though I have to wake up at a certain time for work), eat what I want when I want it, exercise not as part of a regimen, but whenever my body wants to. It’s simple and instinctive. Like you said, people just don’t follow their own inner logic – they can’t find it. I think we DO have instincts.
Is’nt that funny how NJ is called the garden state thecavsman? I never even knew what veggies were when I lived there!
If anyone comes up with more information on the cows milk being bleached because of blood, please let me know. I want to know is that the case for goat milk too?
This thread really interested me so I did a local survey amongst SAD folks to find out a few things on milk. I questioned 100 random people in my area. 72% were lactose intolerant…50% had severe sinus problems…89% said that more than half of their diet consist of dairy in some form or another…of the 89% that said their diet consist of mostly dairy, all were overweight…10% had other forms of mucus ailments, like, digestive problems, colon build up, frequent flu’s etc….100% were addicted to some form of dairy, mostly cheese!...But here is the grand conclusion that is mind boggling to me…100% said that milk was good for the body and some form of dairy intake was necessary for survival! Go figure.
I didn’t read this whole thread, so sorry if I say something wrong or has already been said, but I also am a raw milk drinker. From what I have read, most of the issues that come with milk intolerance are from pasteurized milk, not raw milk…
Anyway, I just wanted to speak up and let you the person who started this thread know that I also am a raw dairy person! That’s all!
haha hey domesticgoddess, people are pretty against all kinds of milk and I don’t drink it because I’m lactose intolerant but I feel that of all the crap out there that people eat, raw milk is definitely the lesser of the evils. I mean, at least it’s a natural product that doesn’t have chemicals pumped into it.
I agree with everyone that it’s kinda weird how humans drink milk after becoming adult and that’s it’s even weirder how we decided to get it from a cow but as far as I can tell it’s a lot less weird than adding poisonous chemicals to things and then eating them.
one glass of milk has equal cholestrol to 7 strips of bacon. The dvd “Eating” from www.ravediet.com is a video made by Doctors who cured themselves of diabetes, cancer, heart disease and many more incurable conditions by switching to a vegan diet. It outlines clearly the danger of dairy. I highly recommend it. We put a lot of information from there on this page of our website which explains why a vegan diet is healthiest: Why Plant Foods
Okay, so I had to update – my blood sugar issues were due to stress & hormonal changes; not the goat milk. It’s happened every month the week before my period. Cholesterol gets a bad rap, but the cholesterol is just going to heal little tears/holes in the blood vessels. People with healthy blood vessels don’t have the same problems with cholesterol. I finally had healthy cholesterol levels only after going mostly raw, and even though I was still eating meat and I drank raw milk from time to time, my cholesterol levels continued to improve. I know other animals don’t drink milk later in life, but why do people say it’s not natural for humans? Same with eating meat. Some human had to do it first? I don’t think people need it as much as they think they do, and definitely it isn’t clean like it originally was, but if you were in a situation where you didn’t have enough plant foods available – like the early settlers of this country, for example – that cow milk or pheasant would be pretty appetizing, I imagine. I just think there is a big difference between “I’m going to milk a cow so my family doesn’t starve” and “I have to have something white to pour on my Froot Loops” :)
Hey Angie- love the fruit loops line, LOL
When I first became vegan, after two weeks the smell of milk made me heave. Someone gave me a cup of tea with milk in. I didn’t know, but after the first sip, I nearly threw up. I couldn’t believe that I went off it so quickly. I used to drink a lot of it, all my life. My skin changed immediately, and so did my karma ;)
As well as my own logical reasoning, anecdotes and stories, and scientific facts that I like to use to show that IMHO humans and dairy don’t mix well, being vegan is also matter of personal taste…
I see fruit on a tree and my mouth waters. I smell cut grass and I want to juice it. I see a cow and I want to stroke her, not suck milk from her. That’s why I am a vegan ;)
haha Zoe, great line.
I’m beginning to see that milk is really quite awful with humans. Of course I can’t stand it since I’m allergic but now that I’m raw I see the world from the outside and can see how certain foods are messing with people. Dairy is actually the main thing that causes problems. Sugar comes in a close second and then meat. I can’t believe I never saw these things before but now when someone complains about a physical malady I can pretty much look at what they’re eating and name the culprit.
I’m sorry but that is gross. I”m not saying it’s not gross to take it from a cow. But I will NEVER eat ice cream made out of breast milk. It’s not even a remote option
I just took an allergry test this summer. It tested for IGG antibodies in relation to about 40 common foods. Unlike the typical allergy tests (IGM) which result in obvious symptoms such as hives, etc.
“IgG4 antibodies are associated with non-atopic or “delayed” food reactions that can worsen or contribute to many different health problems and are considered the most common form of immunologically mediated food intolerance. These reactions are more difficult to notice since they can occur hours or even days after consumption of an offending food. In some cases, a person may eat a food for several days before developing a reaction to it, so they may not realize the link between the food and their symptoms. These “hidden” food allergies are caused by increasing blood levels of IgG4 antibodies in reaction to specific foods. Often the offenders are frequently eaten foods that are hard to avoid, such as milk, corn, and wheat. Simultaneous high levels of many IgG food-specific antibodies are generally related to intestinal hyperpermeability. “
anyways, I found out that I have this type of allergy to milk, peanuts, eggs, almonds, and sunflower and had no idea! I have the opinion that if everyone were tested we would find that milk and any form of dairy would be an alergen for a majority. This test confirmed my intuition about dairy.