I am now watching all of his videos on his website….anyone know if this guy is single?
lol…not that I am anyway, mind you…I am still, for some reason, wondering.
‘Well here’s the thing…protein is made up of amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks. Meat contains all the amino acids, is the thinking I believe, so it is deemed as a ‘complete’ protein. ....but really it’s not in the right chain configuration for humans so it has to be broken down by the body into it’s basic amino acids and rebuilt….although that part I am a little sketchy on.
Just remember that amino acids are what build protein. It’s hard to find ALL 12? essential amino acids in any one food, especially in the right porportions, so you either eat meat, or you eat a variety of food to get the right mix. That’s what she’s talking about when she says beans and rice. Together they contain all the essential amino acids and the body can build protein.
Incidently, avocados contain all the essential amino acids too, just not in the right porportions.
And much of the protein in meat is destroyed via cooking so it’s Much easier for the body to build it from a varied plant based diet. Variety is the key basically.
Even fruit is between 5-10% ‘protein’.
The only people that suffer from a lack of protein are people who are starving. It’s actually so hard to do that I read somewhere that there is in fact NO documented cases in people who eat a proper amount of calories….but I don’t have a resource for you offhand.
And on the plant sterols…another rawbie said that they are gone from the plant within a few hours of picking, and are supposed to be really healthy…have to research more on that one before I start using it as a comeback I guess. ;)
I was reading the australian guidelines recently, the recommendation was 0.75gms of protein per kilo of body weight. Thats around 40gms for me, so the requirements really arent that high.
My response to the question is that theres protein in everything, that youd have to not be eating enough for it to be an issue gets looks of surprise.
ha I read somewhere when I was researching veggie protein a while ago that there is some formula or other to tell me how much protein I needed and I put my specs in the formula and it said I needed 90 grams of protein and I only way 130 at 5’5”! I would have to eat sooooo many calories to get that much protein even if I was eating meat.
My Mom keeps telling me to eat beans and rice or meat to get a “complete” protein. I asked her what the difference between protein and “complete” protein was and she couldn’t answer it. Does anyone know what it is? She said she thinks it’s more important than just protein…...whatever that means.
If I was not getting protein, I would be week and unable to work. That is what I tell others. Yet, I work hard during the day, around the yard and such, remolding, and I run a lot.
Personally, I have found that it is not always good to try to get any ‘grams’ of anything. I mean, it is better to get percetage. By that I mean that percentage is found to be more accurate, expecially when it comes to fat.
These companies sell things that are 99% fat free…it is not. What they do is water it down and flavor it with sugar and salt (or MSG) and add something to thicken it. Now, if you devide the fats from calories by the calories, you get the fat percentage.
It’s not real surprising….I think we were all one of those people. Only those who do a personal investigation are likely to find it and believe it. Just because I tell someone it’s a myth, are they likely to believe me? No they are likely to put on a smile and think in their head ‘so Everyone else is wrong, the doctors, the nutritionists, the food guide, Everyone else, and you are right’ mmhmmm.
But it never hurts to try…especially if you start talking about amino acids, then you sound like might actually be in the know….
I prefer to just tease them….you know the old, where do you get yours? Oh, well where do cows get it? Where do you get your plant sterols from? What about hormones?
there was a recent article in the New York Times about athletes, and in the article it said athletes need NO MORE than 15-20 grams of protein a day. This is contrary to what people believe, thinking about 60-70 grams is about right. That’s so wrong. Excess protein leads to osteoporosis by leaching calcium from the bones. That is why yogurt is not good for osteoporosis—the casein basically negates the calcium present. Much better to get calcium from leafy greens.
Regarding koolieaided’s post, it sounds like you have Rosacea. My sis,father and I have it, and you can help it by wearing sunscreen, avoiding caffeine, hot beverages and spicy foods which aggravate it, and there are special prescription creams which can help. Also use products for your skin that are unscented and sensitive without all the parabens and chemicals.
Has anyone else noticed burning less when in the sun? I have been out alot in my garden (and oddly when it gets it’s hot/sunniest for hours), and I haven’t burnt yet. Normally I burn within half an hour. I don’t see fresh lemons much here, and forget organic, but I read about lemon peel helping your skin cope with sun. I’d love to test that sometime. Though how would I know the difference if I’m already burning less, and how many hours would be agreeable/not pushing it? That’d take a lost of experiments.
To make this even more off topic…I need to buy some dried organic lemon peel. I have been dying for some Lavender-Lemon tea and perhaps un-baking.
Hi stylistchick – yes, they tested my blood for everything they could think of, even Lyme disease – not sure if there is a test for B vitamins in general, but my B12 levels were good. I did take some multi-B and B12 from time to time but no real improvement; nevertheless, the meat I was eating doesnt seem to have given me what I needed, and I do seem to need something in grains as far as I can tell so far, even though it hasnt created a dramatic improvement – large quantities of cooked grains did nothing, maybe LOTS of soaked & sprouted grains will help!
I’m struck by the similarity of your symptoms and mine, and wondering if they could be a general response to a few different kinds of trigger, or even just to an allergy – I havent really tested each individual food I eat! Maybe you and I are genetically related and have very similar physiological responses – I read that everyone on this earth is no further apart than 1/16th cousins – obvious really, since all 6 billion of us are descended from only a few hundred individuals!
I’m hoping my neck is a big part of the problem (maybe exacerbated by constant bending over books and computer, and also by jogging) – after the very FIRST neck treatment with the Chinese doctor, I slept through the night without beiong woken up, so that’s hopeful!
Hi stylistchick – thanks very much for your reply, it’s amazing how similar your symptoms were to mine, but yes I was totally gluten-free for the 4 years I was on the no-grains diet, and that was when the neuropathy started, unfortunatley! It really IS amazing – I wish gluten was the answer for me as it is for you! I feel as if I’ve tried almost everything now, except 100% raw!
Roman, thankyou, I’ll try that forum but I have a feeling I may have tried to post a question there and it never got up – was there something about them only wanting “positive” raw-food success stories on that forum and not wanting long detailed posts about health problems?
Thaks Modina too – some great ideas there! Yes, I do eat cruciferous veg (bokchoy, watercress) and red capsicum (is that what you call bell pepper?) and since I made the changes in July 2007, I only started having the yoghurt dressing on my dinner salad when I stopped having meat/fish with it. I only eat fish/eggs in the morning at the moment. Would love to try sprouting kamut but I have to sprout wheat for now instead of kamut as I cant find any – tried spelt but it was too broken to sprout (same problem with oats) and when soaked it developed a crazy texture like chewing-gum (and I thought spelt was meant to have LESS gluten than wheat!)
BTW, what time is it there in the US? Are you guys up really late, or are we so far ahead that it’s still friday evening where you are (it’s saturday arvo here!)?
hi aussie , ide ask this question over at www.rawfoodtalk.com (click on the 30 day challenge to get to forum area) , theres alot of middle age women that im sure would have alot of great ideas from experience for you , plus theres an extensive archive you can search . cheers from michigan
have you tried going gluten free for a couple weeks just to make sure thats not your problem? just a thought, i had some very atypical symptoms, and neuropathy was one of them. as well as severe problems with my back and neck, and ‘brain fog’.
if you go gluten free, be careful with oats, some times they are not gluten free.
7 posts found
troublesjustabubble:) writes, Jul 23, 2008: (599 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
Bananna-thank you for that. My Mom is very into health but doesn’t understand why I want to go all raw. Now I can explain some things to her to help.
Bananna writes, Jul 23, 2008: (75 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
I am now watching all of his videos on his website….anyone know if this guy is single? lol…not that I am anyway, mind you…I am still, for some reason, wondering.
melaverde writes, Jul 23, 2008: (126 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
Bananna – I liked the video too and this guy is truly inspirational and a great motivator.
Bananna writes, Jul 23, 2008: (75 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
Wow I am impressed with that guy melaverde! .....gone to go Tim Van Orden researching now, lol…
...and I was on the right track, but I knew I was a bit confused. Great video!
melaverde writes, Jul 23, 2008: (126 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
I watched this video few days ago which relates to protein. Here is Tim Van Orden view on protein. protein myth
Bananna writes, Jul 23, 2008: (75 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
‘Well here’s the thing…protein is made up of amino acids. Amino acids are the building blocks. Meat contains all the amino acids, is the thinking I believe, so it is deemed as a ‘complete’ protein. ....but really it’s not in the right chain configuration for humans so it has to be broken down by the body into it’s basic amino acids and rebuilt….although that part I am a little sketchy on.
Just remember that amino acids are what build protein. It’s hard to find ALL 12? essential amino acids in any one food, especially in the right porportions, so you either eat meat, or you eat a variety of food to get the right mix. That’s what she’s talking about when she says beans and rice. Together they contain all the essential amino acids and the body can build protein.
Incidently, avocados contain all the essential amino acids too, just not in the right porportions. And much of the protein in meat is destroyed via cooking so it’s Much easier for the body to build it from a varied plant based diet. Variety is the key basically.
Even fruit is between 5-10% ‘protein’.
The only people that suffer from a lack of protein are people who are starving. It’s actually so hard to do that I read somewhere that there is in fact NO documented cases in people who eat a proper amount of calories….but I don’t have a resource for you offhand.
And on the plant sterols…another rawbie said that they are gone from the plant within a few hours of picking, and are supposed to be really healthy…have to research more on that one before I start using it as a comeback I guess. ;)
kebbster writes, Jul 23, 2008: (7 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
I was reading the australian guidelines recently, the recommendation was 0.75gms of protein per kilo of body weight. Thats around 40gms for me, so the requirements really arent that high.
My response to the question is that theres protein in everything, that youd have to not be eating enough for it to be an issue gets looks of surprise.
troublesjustabubble:) writes, Jul 23, 2008: (599 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
ha I read somewhere when I was researching veggie protein a while ago that there is some formula or other to tell me how much protein I needed and I put my specs in the formula and it said I needed 90 grams of protein and I only way 130 at 5’5”! I would have to eat sooooo many calories to get that much protein even if I was eating meat.
My Mom keeps telling me to eat beans and rice or meat to get a “complete” protein. I asked her what the difference between protein and “complete” protein was and she couldn’t answer it. Does anyone know what it is? She said she thinks it’s more important than just protein…...whatever that means.
Carmentina writes, Jul 23, 2008: (523 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
This is great stuff. Now I have more ammo. Thanks.
shgadwa writes, Jul 23, 2008: (466 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
Yeah…
If I was not getting protein, I would be week and unable to work. That is what I tell others. Yet, I work hard during the day, around the yard and such, remolding, and I run a lot.
Personally, I have found that it is not always good to try to get any ‘grams’ of anything. I mean, it is better to get percetage. By that I mean that percentage is found to be more accurate, expecially when it comes to fat.
These companies sell things that are 99% fat free…it is not. What they do is water it down and flavor it with sugar and salt (or MSG) and add something to thicken it. Now, if you devide the fats from calories by the calories, you get the fat percentage.
Bananna writes, Jul 23, 2008: (75 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
...or just start freaking out….Oh My God!!! Nooo, I have been living all this time with no protein!!! Start breathing heavy, faint….
It would be worth being mistook as crazy, wouldn’t it?
Bananna writes, Jul 23, 2008: (75 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
It’s not real surprising….I think we were all one of those people. Only those who do a personal investigation are likely to find it and believe it. Just because I tell someone it’s a myth, are they likely to believe me? No they are likely to put on a smile and think in their head ‘so Everyone else is wrong, the doctors, the nutritionists, the food guide, Everyone else, and you are right’ mmhmmm.
But it never hurts to try…especially if you start talking about amino acids, then you sound like might actually be in the know….
I prefer to just tease them….you know the old, where do you get yours? Oh, well where do cows get it? Where do you get your plant sterols from? What about hormones?
nycgrrl writes, Jul 23, 2008: (415 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
there was a recent article in the New York Times about athletes, and in the article it said athletes need NO MORE than 15-20 grams of protein a day. This is contrary to what people believe, thinking about 60-70 grams is about right. That’s so wrong. Excess protein leads to osteoporosis by leaching calcium from the bones. That is why yogurt is not good for osteoporosis—the casein basically negates the calcium present. Much better to get calcium from leafy greens.
bitt writes, Jul 22, 2008: (1065 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
How do you think elephants and gorillas get so strong? veggies!!!!
meths969 writes, Jul 22, 2008: (67 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / The Protein Myth)
it makes sense
germin8 writes, May 22, 2008: (1351 posts)
(Topic: Talk It Up / A superb Truly Raw Skincare line I discovered!)
Glycerin? What’s wrong with glycerin?
laurajean writes, May 19, 2008: (30 posts)
(Topic: Talk It Up / A superb Truly Raw Skincare line I discovered!)
Regarding koolieaided’s post, it sounds like you have Rosacea. My sis,father and I have it, and you can help it by wearing sunscreen, avoiding caffeine, hot beverages and spicy foods which aggravate it, and there are special prescription creams which can help. Also use products for your skin that are unscented and sensitive without all the parabens and chemicals.
have_mersey writes, May 2, 2008: (188 posts)
(Topic: Talk It Up / A superb Truly Raw Skincare line I discovered!)
Has anyone else noticed burning less when in the sun? I have been out alot in my garden (and oddly when it gets it’s hot/sunniest for hours), and I haven’t burnt yet. Normally I burn within half an hour. I don’t see fresh lemons much here, and forget organic, but I read about lemon peel helping your skin cope with sun. I’d love to test that sometime. Though how would I know the difference if I’m already burning less, and how many hours would be agreeable/not pushing it? That’d take a lost of experiments.
To make this even more off topic…I need to buy some dried organic lemon peel. I have been dying for some Lavender-Lemon tea and perhaps un-baking.
Stickybumps23 writes, May 1, 2008: (22 posts)
(Topic: Talk It Up / A superb Truly Raw Skincare line I discovered!)
orgfoodaddict- What do you use for sunscreen?
alpinemeadow writes, Feb 16, 2008: (8 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
Hi stylistchick – yes, they tested my blood for everything they could think of, even Lyme disease – not sure if there is a test for B vitamins in general, but my B12 levels were good. I did take some multi-B and B12 from time to time but no real improvement; nevertheless, the meat I was eating doesnt seem to have given me what I needed, and I do seem to need something in grains as far as I can tell so far, even though it hasnt created a dramatic improvement – large quantities of cooked grains did nothing, maybe LOTS of soaked & sprouted grains will help!
I’m struck by the similarity of your symptoms and mine, and wondering if they could be a general response to a few different kinds of trigger, or even just to an allergy – I havent really tested each individual food I eat! Maybe you and I are genetically related and have very similar physiological responses – I read that everyone on this earth is no further apart than 1/16th cousins – obvious really, since all 6 billion of us are descended from only a few hundred individuals!
I’m hoping my neck is a big part of the problem (maybe exacerbated by constant bending over books and computer, and also by jogging) – after the very FIRST neck treatment with the Chinese doctor, I slept through the night without beiong woken up, so that’s hopeful!
stylistchick writes, Feb 16, 2008: (364 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
i must have missed that vital piece of information! sorry, your message was long!
did you have a full work up on your blood to see if you had deficiencies? even meat eaters can become deficient of b vitamins.
i hope you have good luck with raw food, it has done wonders for me.
modhina writes, Feb 16, 2008: (83 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
Yes, capsicum is a pepper, but we usually think of hot pepper, and I am referring to sweet bell, but it seems you understood that.
It’s about 9:50pm Fri.
alpinemeadow writes, Feb 16, 2008: (8 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
Hi stylistchick – thanks very much for your reply, it’s amazing how similar your symptoms were to mine, but yes I was totally gluten-free for the 4 years I was on the no-grains diet, and that was when the neuropathy started, unfortunatley! It really IS amazing – I wish gluten was the answer for me as it is for you! I feel as if I’ve tried almost everything now, except 100% raw!
Roman, thankyou, I’ll try that forum but I have a feeling I may have tried to post a question there and it never got up – was there something about them only wanting “positive” raw-food success stories on that forum and not wanting long detailed posts about health problems?
Thaks Modina too – some great ideas there! Yes, I do eat cruciferous veg (bokchoy, watercress) and red capsicum (is that what you call bell pepper?) and since I made the changes in July 2007, I only started having the yoghurt dressing on my dinner salad when I stopped having meat/fish with it. I only eat fish/eggs in the morning at the moment. Would love to try sprouting kamut but I have to sprout wheat for now instead of kamut as I cant find any – tried spelt but it was too broken to sprout (same problem with oats) and when soaked it developed a crazy texture like chewing-gum (and I thought spelt was meant to have LESS gluten than wheat!)
BTW, what time is it there in the US? Are you guys up really late, or are we so far ahead that it’s still friday evening where you are (it’s saturday arvo here!)?
michigan roman writes, Feb 16, 2008: (169 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
hi aussie , ide ask this question over at www.rawfoodtalk.com (click on the 30 day challenge to get to forum area) , theres alot of middle age women that im sure would have alot of great ideas from experience for you , plus theres an extensive archive you can search .
cheers from michigan
stylistchick writes, Feb 16, 2008: (364 posts)
(Topic: Being Raw / Balanced daily intake (grains?), menopause, neuropathy)
have you tried going gluten free for a couple weeks just to make sure thats not your problem?
just a thought, i had some very atypical symptoms, and neuropathy was one of them. as well as severe problems with my back and neck, and ‘brain fog’.
if you go gluten free, be careful with oats, some times they are not gluten free.